Just like a straight person, but they like the same sex. Play it humble. There's no need to wear a shirt with a rainbow on it, or use words like "super", or be open about it. It's not oppression. People assume everyone is straight by default. But straight people don't confirm that, just as gay people shouldn't correct them until the appropriate time.
Now, a lot of what I said doesn't apply to every homosexual.
How curious. I also have "an acceptable hetero" list.
An acceptable hetero:
Like a gay person, finds it immorally unfashionable to wear rugby shirts, trucker caps, and/or crocs. Play it humble. There's no need to whore yourself out in mini skirts for easier penile entrance (or denial). My acceptable hetero is confident enough in their own sexuality that they can listen to any kind of music they want without feeling judged.
Now, a lot of what I said doesn't apply to every heterosexual.
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Re: The Dangerous Myth of the "Gay Agenda". « Reply #47 on Aug 12, 2011, 10:08am »
Now, if I may revive this topic about something that I just heard about today...
Now, I have stated in the past, and I still do, support gay rights, but unless someone is taking the piss, umm, just WHY?!
I always thought of Bert and Ernie as heterosexual life partners who were always scraping by financially in tough economic times. I know this is a sensitive issue in a day and age where the world is slowly accepting homosexuality, but isn't this pushing it just a tad?
Kids just won't understand at the age they usually watch Sesame Street.
Thousands of same-sex couples have been married in New York since gay marriage was legalized in the Empire State in July. Now an online petition is pushing to have one more twosome join the line at City Hall – Sesame Street's Bert and Ernie.
That's right – the muppets.
Chicago resident Lair Scott started an online petition at Change.org to pressure the Sesame Street Workshop to "Let Bert & Ernie get married on Sesame Street." The petition reads, "We are not asking Sesame Street to do anything crude or disrespectful…. It can be done in a tasteful way. Let us teach tolerance of those that are different." As of this writing, the petition had collected more than 1,600 signatures.
But are Bert and Ernie even gay, never mind ready for the ultimate commitment? Scott clearly thinks so. In an interview with ABC News.com, Scott said, "A lot of people have wondered about Bert and Ernie.... Living in the same bedroom and the same home would make anyone question their sexuality." His aim, he added, is to get 20,000 petitioners to encourage the Sesame Workshop to either marry Bert and Ernie or introduce a gay or lesbian character.
A few days before he posted the marriage petition, Scott had generated another, asking Sesame Workshop to "Out Bert and Ernie as Gay."
Today Sesame Workshop responded in a statement: "Bert and Ernie are best friends. They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves."
And despite what Scott or anyone else thinks, the statement goes on to say, Bert and Ernie aren't gay.
"Even though they are identified as male characters and possess many human traits and characteristics…they remain puppets, and do not have a sexual orientation."
The characters were developed 40 years ago by Jim Henson, the creator of Sesame Street. The felt-based duo both wear stripes and have mops of black hair. But that's where the similarities end. Ernie has always played the lovable doofus to Bert's boring straight man. Bert likes pigeons, Ernie prefers rubber ducks.
For a couple of puppets geared toward preschoolers, the two have generated controversy over the years, centered primarily around their sexual orientation.
The rumor mill went into overdrive last year when Bert wrote on the Sesame Street twitter account that his haircut resembled Mr T's -- "the only difference is mine is a little more 'mo, a little less 'hawk." That was enough to convince many bloggers that the Sesame Workshop was secretly signaling Bert's sexual orientation.
But the folks on Sesame Street have always pushed back against the rumors.
In 2007, Sesame Workshop president and CEO Gary Knell wrote, "They are not gay, they are not straight, they are puppets…they do not exist below the waist."
Of course that kind of logic won't likely stop the petitions on Change.org. Predictably, Lair Scott now has some competition in the Bert and Ernie petition department. There is now a "Leave Bert and Ernie alone" petition and a "Stop Pressuring PBS to make Bert and Ernie Gay" petition.
As of this writing, the number of people signing up for those petitions is climbing.
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Re: The Dangerous Myth of the "Gay Agenda". « Reply #48 on Aug 12, 2011, 10:51am »
I always found the beauty of Bert and Ernie is that it doesn't really matter if they were gay, we'd love them just the same. And, frankly, there has always been whispers about their relationship, it just comes back once in a while.
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Re: The Dangerous Myth of the "Gay Agenda". « Reply #49 on Aug 12, 2011, 10:57am »
^Of course, I guess it was a matter of when it would be made of a big issue (when it never was, I mean they're just children's show characters) by the news. I'm probably more worried about a child looking at the marriage of Bert and Ernie and wondering why, in a state of confusion.
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Re: The Dangerous Myth of the "Gay Agenda". « Reply #50 on Aug 13, 2011, 2:00am »
I have mixed feelings.
On one hand, I don't feel like it's something children should be sheltered from. I really don't. And this could be the bleeding-heart-liberal in me talkin', but the earlier children learn that, in some cases, two people of the same gender went to spend their lives with one another, the better chance they have of understanding the whole thing early on. That's where the understanding can end; they don't need to, and probably won't think about the sexual implications at that age, just as they (hopefully) don't consider the sexual implications of the harmless heterosexual relationships that always exist in kid's shows. A warm, fuzzy, good-feelings-all-around show like Sesame Street would provide a good avenue for that kind of understanding.
HOWEVER, and this is a pretty big however...
It's a bit ridiculous (read: fucking bogus) to ask that characters who were not created with a same-gender relationship, now be assigned such a relationship. C'mon, guys; is this really so important, that we'd ask a creator to change his characters from the bottom up? It wouldn't accomplish anything, anyway: that energy really needs to be focused elsewhere. This is, as the Aussies would say, "taking the piss", indeed.
Re: The Dangerous Myth of the "Gay Agenda". « Reply #51 on Aug 13, 2011, 9:50am »
I actually think this is pretty ridiculous. My thoughts run mostly along the lines of Aramek's post and Apatheria's however paragraph; this strikes me as an odd battleground for them to choose to make a point. Even for me it feels a little too close to the central concept this thread was addressing - the forcing of an agenda on others - and I don't like that.
A parade that celebrates the differences between sexual preferences and more then welcomes gay people into the parade, showing that heterosexuality isn't "perfect".
Gays in Brazil complain how this will affect them negatively, claim that 260 gay people died in the past year; 50,000 people died in the favelas and all around Brazil. Which I guess has nothing to do with anythin- Yes it does.
A parade that celebrates the differences between sexual preferences and more then welcomes gay people into the parade, showing that heterosexuality isn't "perfect".
I mean...it's basically like having a "white pride day" in the US, even though whites have never been an oppressed minority and have always controlled the status quo.
It's basically a slap in the face to oppressed minorities! Awesome!
Sorry, but I really gotta ask, "What the fuck?", here.
A parade that celebrates the differences between sexual preferences and more then welcomes gay people into the parade, showing that heterosexuality isn't "perfect".
Gays in Brazil complain how this will affect them negatively, claim that 260 gay people died in the past year; 50,000 people died in the favelas and all around Brazil. Which I guess has nothing to do with anythin- Yes it does.
Wow really?
Yeah....wow indeed.
As a hetero male, yeah, no, I show no pride about what sexual preference I was born with, nor do I show pride about my race and my way of life. Sure, I'm content, but as Apa said, why do we straights suddenly have one? We are not oppressed, we haven't been assaulted or victimised for being breeders, and sometimes I feel we act worse towards the opposite sex than homosexuals. Oh here I am taking the fun out of being straight.
It's good to see some pride in who you are, as it shows content and happiness, but yeah, what the fuck, a hetero pride parade? I never asked for this.
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Re: The Dangerous Myth of the "Gay Agenda". « Reply #55 on Aug 14, 2011, 8:09am »
FUCK YEAH! also its just kind of stupid and great to make fun of the fact that in one of the south american country's has a heterosexual pride day. it doesn't roll off the tongue.....
"THOSE DAMNED MINORITIES GET ALL THE BREAKS!" Is simply fucking retarded, and everyone who thinks so should get a punch in the dick.
Everyone's got problems, but those who have got it hard for just the way they are can suffer the most in this world where they had no choice with how they are born. No one ever gets antagonised being straight, and it is sour grape for those who think gays and people of certain races are looking for an easy way out. It's human nature to try and make things easier in our lives, looking for advantages and trying to obtain them, but it isn't like they want special attention and benefits, they just want a fair go, and to respond with a hetero parade, as you said, is mean spirited and goes against what everyone is trying to achieve; Equality. I do admire the will of those who cop a lot of flak for their sexual preference, and stand up to homophobic behaviour.
As I watched the 7pm project last night, about the same sex marriage debate here. If I can find the video, I'll definitely upload it here.
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