Maturely themed? Really? « Thread Started on May 22, 2012, 8:34pm »
I'm sorry, I've been upset for a long time over this and I just want to know your opinions. So, I started voice acting because I love it. But because I refuse to do anything with swearing or sexual content (or strongly suggestive) in it, then it's extremely hard for me to even audition for roles.
So I question us what we believe is "maturely themed"? Definition of Mature: Fully grown or developed in nature. Says nothing about sex and swearing. Yet these are the things that high schoolers are obsessed with, and what some adults still are obsessed with. Truly beautiful pieces of media have been created with no swearing or sexual content in them what so ever. Such as: Kingdom Hearts, Final Fantasy, Miyazaki's movies, and many more. I understand that it's all how you express yourselves, and I'm all up for being passionate, but really? I feel like our view of "beautiful media" and "mature media" has been.....well....screwed up over the years. And us, the younger generation can fix that because we, the amateurs and aspiring artists here who are OHHHH SOOOO TALENTED! IT BRINGS ME TO TEARS! can make a difference! (because let's just face it. We've all seen those projects that are just crap [don't consider that a curse word] and they're just stupid sexual jokes and swearing every other word). And if you are going to swear, then at least use it in the correct content! Gosh! I just want to throw a dictionary at some people sometimes!
Agree? Disagree? Hate me? Love the idea? (I could never hate any of you. And I mean this no offense to anyone, I'm just trying to...well express my opinion and maybe make a difference in the world. Because if you're going to spend all this time making an awesome project, then make it awesome for everyone to see. Don't slaughter it).
You're all wonderful people, I'm just incredibly frustrated and honestly heart broken. Thank you. Please no hate mail, and if you do, well good for you. But I don't value the opinion of haters, only those who generally care to disagree. ^_^ thank you.
Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #1 on May 22, 2012, 9:07pm »
I definitely agree with you, and this isn't just a problem in projects, it's a problem all over the world that really needs to be addressed, and I'm pretty sick of it.
...however, I think this topic needs to be moved elsewhere.
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #3 on May 23, 2012, 12:17am »
You can't move your own threads on this forum; a mod will have to do it for you.
Regarding your post: forgive me for being a little confused but I'm not sure what you're saying. You're upset with the unnecessary presence of sex and swearing in projects, is that right? Was this in response to this site and its works or any one work in particular, or a general commentary on society?
I think the reason that these things are termed "mature themes" are not because they fall explicitly under any definition of mature, but rather because their content is the kind of thing that should only be consumed by a mature audience because maturity (as spelt out in your definition there) is needed in order to appropriately understand, respond to, and appreciate the meaning and consequences of what they are seeing.
That said, I certainly agree with you to an extent. (Is there a reason you felt you needed to arm yourself so heavily against "haters"?) It's not that I think sex and swearing don't have a place in media. They're part of mature society, and trying to censor them entirely is a completely different problem. What I don't enjoy so much is their overuse, be that for shock value or because the creator's only drawcard is gutter humour.
I actually enjoy watching children's television for reasons similar to this -- these shows are often clever and humorous and un-self-consciously so, without resorting (obviously) to sex and swearing to make them entertaining.
You have to appreciate, though, that there are always going to be people who unashamedly delight in gutter humour. And where there's an audience, there are going to be productions made to cater to them. You might not like it, and that's OK. You'd just not go near that kind of thing if it isn't to your taste.
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #4 on May 23, 2012, 2:14am »
You can usually tell what a script will be like based on the audition post/audition lines. You can always feel free to ask beforehand if there will be any subject matter in the script that you are uncomfortable with voicing. Or if you are asked to play a role but are uncomfortable with one or two lines you can always suggest an edit. The director may not be willing to compromise his/her artistic vision, but sometimes the meaning of the line can get across the same way.
Unless I'm misunderstanding your post and you're meaning this just from a consumer point of view...
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #6 on May 23, 2012, 8:14am »
Serious question, is violence okay then? Why is killing somehow "less bad" than some boobies, or an errant "shit"? It reminds me of a line from the South Park movie:
"Remember, graphic, deplorable violence is okay, just as long as people don't say any naughty words!"
I understand not being into that stuff, and that's fine, but, the way to avoid/dislike it just smacks of the worst sort of prudish.
Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #7 on May 23, 2012, 3:25pm »
I value your points! Sorry if I came off really defensive for haters (Because I'm being serious and I hate dealing with people who just feel like being jerks). Violence is a good point. I'm not going to lie, most violent things I'm okay with (unless there's nothing but fighting and they're like spitting out guts and cutting off heads. Think Mortal Combat, ewww. But then if it's something less like Naruto, then that's a little better, just not mindless violence though). You made a valid point, but there's just a difference. I would really appreciate it if people would rate what their projects are because most look innocent and when I go to email and ask they explain how the projects really are, making me disappointing. My frustration are more towards the people who put it in to be funny, not for those who are doing it for an effect if that makes sense. This has just been bothering me and I recently snapped. So this is not a rant on anyone personally.
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #8 on May 24, 2012, 7:50am »
Well, yeah. Producers should always be forthcoming, but, I think it's more a fact that it slips their mind. It isn't as if they're trying to trick people into voicing a character's sex scene. In fact, all of the flat-out "adult" productions we've seen here have been very forthcoming about exact what the production entailed.
Heh, I even auditioned for one once; I put on this awful surfer-dude accent for the "only dude in hentai game" character. Never heard back, but it was fun wasting the producer's time.
My frustration are more towards the people who put it in to be funny, not for those who are doing it for an effect if that makes sense.
You also need to take into account that many of the "producers" (I'm sorry, that word bugs me almost as much as the word "artist" when referring to a musician) are teenage boys who find crass dialogue and senseless violence funny. Humor is completely subjective. This site started out on Newgrounds, the stomping ground of cock jokes, drug references, and violence. Many projects here may be geared for a Newgrounds release. However, the same can be said about much of the internet. Youtube, Machinima, whatever. The definition of acceptable vulgarity in broadcast is blurring. It's just something you've got to learn to navigate.
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #10 on May 24, 2012, 8:40am »
What word should we use? I use "producer" to mean "the guy who is going to be sitting at his computer for hours mixing everything together so it sounds okay". Is Director a better word?
And "artist" covers all of it, so as to make it a more inclusive term. Whether you're a singer, or you play an instrument, or maybe you just write the songs, "Artist" is a good catch-all!
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #11 on May 24, 2012, 4:49pm »
I consider Steven Spielberg a producer. I do not consider a 14-year-old dragging clips around in Audacity a producer.
When I use occupational words like "artist" or "producer", I use them in the context that the person does those things professionally, ie. they are actually good enough to make money from doing it. It's for the same reason that I abstain from referring to myself as an "artist/musician/producer." In all honesty, I call myself a dabbler. Yes, I do the same things, but I'm not recognized in the industry, nor do I expect to command any respect for my efforts.
Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #12 on May 24, 2012, 8:35pm »
"Hello, yes, there seems to a problem with this software, it's being TOO "correct" and stuff like that. Actually, let me look into this further."
Umm, yeah, Mature in this particular instance, like "Mature content", is suppose to mean stuff that are meant or targeted for people at a mature mind and age, typically eighteen. Besides, there are a ton of other words in the English language where have words mean now are different from the ones from the past.
@Shoe Yup, you're weird with stuff like that. Although in a similar instance, you won't see me calling myself a professional at all. Even if I were to be considered as one in the future. Why? Blame it on working at a Market Basket, where this particular store took the word and turned it on its head. (If I were to tell my bosses then there is a "professional actor" (let's say in a police crime drama), they'd think I'm lying because they were swearing and acting like dicks on the job and the camera "caught the evidence".) Besides, you are an artist, and a musician, how good of it is up to you. (That's why adjectives are invented. Dabbler? What kind of dabbler? Magic?) ADD-ON: Actually, I'll be blunt after thinking about it on my way back from a closing Starbucks: You're Asian. What degree or generation, I don't know. My parents' from Hong Kong, so I got a lot of how I think from them. Stuff like that. I should stop being so modest.
Huh? Me? I'm just an amateur illustrator/animator/whatever. My stuff? Sure, here is it, but it's crap. Let me get back to experimenting.
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Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #13 on May 24, 2012, 9:16pm »
So if I fix a toilet a few times, could I call myself a plumber? If I make a sex tape at home, can I tell people I'm a porn star? If I perform emergency CPR and manage to revive somebody, can I call myself an EMT? That's just the way I view occupational words.
And be blunt all you want, but what does being Asian have to do with anything?
I grew up in California, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. Tell me what kind of Asian that makes me, please.
Re: Maturely themed? Really? « Reply #14 on May 24, 2012, 9:41pm »
Well I can't argue with that logic, I just killed an ant today. I'm an exterminator!
I based it on the stereotypes and all that (I know that's bad and all, but I always feel there's some truth in it), it's the aspect of modesty and humility, that got to me. Although the second part is too vague for me to say what kind (nah, don't elaborate. I don't have the brain power to compute it), and after the logic statement you just said, it defeated the labeling I said before.
Taking a page from the game Ultima VI: The False Prophet, the quest of finding the most humble citizen of the town. When you asked a...fisherman, I think, if he is the most humble. He answered he is not, just a simple fisherman helping the town. Quest completed, he is the most humble citizen of the town. I guess you can say that struck a cord in this whole dealio. (that game had a much bigger influence on me than it should.)
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